There are plenty of year-end podcast lists that rely on the creator’s opinion. But the tally issued today by Podtrac of the top new podcasts of 2019 is based on the average number of downloads the shows received between Dec. 1, 2018 and Nov. 31, 2019. The ranker shows the podcast studio Wondery had eight of the top 20 new shows, followed by the iHeartPodcast Network, which had five.

Here is the full list, according to Podtrac:

  1. The Shrink Next Door - Wondery
  2. The Ron Burgundy Podcast - iHeartRadio
  3. Over My Dead Body - Wondery
  4. Man in the Window - Wondery
  5. The Thing About Pam - NBC News
  6. Bad Batch - Wondery
  7. White Lies - NPR
  8. Dolly Parton’s America - WNYC Studios
  9. The Mysterious Mr. Epstein - Wondery
  10. Chelsea Handler: Life Will Be the Death of Me - iHeartRadio
  11. Room 20 – Wondery
  12. 1619 - New York Times
  13. Confronting: O.J. Simpson - Wondery
  14. 2 Bears 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer - YMH Studios
  15. Throughline - NPR
  16. Noble Blood - iHeartRadio
  17. It Could Happen Here - iHeartRadio
  18. Detective Trapp - Wondery
  19. Insomniac - iHeartRadio
  20. Dateline NBC - NBC News

Podtrac doesn’t publicly release specific listener numbers for individual shows and it only includes publishers who have signed up for its measurement service. That means its monthly ranker doesn’t include the full universe of podcasts, including some that may have more listeners than what appears on its list. Podtrac says in order to qualify as a “new” show in its ranker, a podcast needed to release its first episode between Dec. 1, 2018 and Nov. 31, 2019. Episodes marked by publishers as “bonus” or “trailer” episodes were excluded from the calculations.